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Visit to Nana and Papa’s in MS

Here are some pics from our visits to Nana and Papa Switzer’s house in Mississippi, along with pics of Riley at our Kiddie WaterPark. And be on the lookout for major changes coming to the blog soon! Stay Tuned!!

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Our last few moments in Mississippi were the sweetest, in my opinion…
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A few videos, daily life..

Gonna have to watch my water bill…

Nodding is, apparently, funny!

Biting my Nose!!

Father’s Day!

Today was my first Father’s Day that I got to spend with my daughter. Last year, I landed in India one day after Father’s Day. I spent today at home, quietly, except for a quick trip to New Braunfels for some kolaches from Naeglin’s Bakery, the oldest bakery in Texas. Good stuff, but they screwed up my order and I wasn’t driving 20 miles back up there to fix it. Anyhoo..here are some new pics of Riley. We are working on her walking, I figure another 3 weeks or so. And Happy Father’s Day to all you dads out there! Especially my Dad, who I think I just might be making it to being half the father he was, and if so, Riley and I are going to just fine!

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Peekin around a door..
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Sneakin under the kitchen table..
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Till next time..

Brian

1st Birthday!!

Well Friends, it has been a whole year since our girls were born. A year of incredible happiness and horrible sorrow. A year that has seen it share of smiles and more than its share of tears. Kelsey is not here to celebrate this wonderful milestone in her life, but we feel she is here none-the-less. We wished her a happy birthday and gave her a kiss. I still talk to her daily and tell her how much I love and miss her. I ask her to help us watch over Riley and keep her safe. And I think she does.

Riley has grown so much this year and has really developed a wonderful personality. She just loves to smile and laugh and really isn’t much of a cranky baby at, save for when she is fighting sleep.

For her first birthday we took her to a picnic in the park and then returned home for a private little party with cake. You can see the havok below. It was wonderful and only wish we still had the “double trouble” factor at work here. Happy Birthday to you Riley! We Love you. And Kelsey, my Angel, Happy Birthday to You! We Love You and Miss You so much!

Mommy and Riley
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Scarfin the Cake!

Riley had a cake at her Baptism and thanks to Uncle Paul, we have video!
So here she is, in her first attempt at horkin some cake, Is Riley Jane…

Mother’s Day

Wow, I have waited for this day for what seems like an eternity. Not just Mother’s Day but this Mother’s Day.

Last year at this time I got Mother’s Day cards, the twins were on their way but I didn’t feel like a “Mom”. It was all just too surreal, there was no tummy to feel, no kicks to jump at, no morning sickness, no false starts to the hospital. I was just this woman waiting to have her babies delivered halfway around the world.

Last year at this time I was clueless, I didnt know if it was boys or girls. I didn’t know if I would be a good Mom. I didn’t know what I would go through in India. I didn’t know that returning to work would be so hard. I didnt know what it was like to go through months without a decent nights sleep. I didn’t know that I could love someone so much it hurt when I wasn’t with them. I didn’t know what it was like to lose a child. I didn’t know how much I could handle that life would throw at me. There was so much I thought I knew and I was wrong. It wasn’t that I thought I knew it all, there was just so much more to learn.

Last year at this time I was on a mission. I wanted to spread the news to people around the world that parenthood was possible for many of us that had given up hope. I thought by this time this year my mission would be fufilled. I now realize that there is so much more to do to get the word out and I have been lax in my efforts over the last few months.

Last year at this time I did not feel even close to 40, now I feel like 41 has kicked my backside.

Last year at this time, I wanted to say, “I am a Mother!” and now:

To all our friends and family out there, I am a Mother. In the last year I have learned that I am stronger than I thought I was, not as smart as I thought I was, full of more emotion than I every thought possible and happier than I ever thought I could be.

I know some of you have taken this journey with us and are either in the middle or waiting for your journey to begin, and to you I say with all my heart, GO FOR IT! Be ready for the challenges and never give up or give in. Do not accept the status quo, let no one tell you no. You, my friends, my girls, my mothers to be, are worthy of this. Through the last year, even with its challenges and new realities, I am thankful everyday for my babies. Thier lives made me new, made me realize who I was in one short year. I wish this for all of you. Happy Mother’s Day.

Oh and this is for the Mikes too but they have to read this again in June~

Lisa

Ouch, that smarted….

Ok, so Lisa and I decided that we really did need a second car after all..and we felt an SUV would suit our needs better than another sedan would. So we went and purchased a 2009 Jeep Patriot. And I liked the lil ‘Riot..and was happily driving along on April 3rd, exactly one day after making my first payment on it..Yep, you guessed it..whammo!! I was sitting on the off-ramp bridge from Loop 1604 to get onto I-10 East. Sitting dead still, no movement at all. I glance up in my rear view mirror and see nuttin’ but grill..SLAM!! A massive furniture delivery truck slammed into me at about 60 mph..Glass flew everywhere, the collision causing a very loud sound and me, seatbelt and all, being flung around the driver’s seat. I take stock off myself for a moment, thanking God that Riley was sleeping when I left so I didn’t bring her with me.
I survived it, the lil ‘Riot took the shot like a champ. I’m all beat up, in physical therapy for back and neck pain.. But looks at these pics..tell me that you’re not surprised that the Jeep handled such a hard shot..Bad news..it was totalled…

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So now, it’s totalled and I’m having to come up with another down payment because Traveller’s Insurance will only pay off my Jeep, no more for inconvienence. So we go shopping. And we find exactly what I would have wanted, although used, in perfect shape.. A 2006 Jeep Commander Limited! Complete with 4.7L V8 and towing package. In-dash Satellite Radio, Navigation, 6 Disc CD/MP3 player and a fold down DVD system for Riley. It has 3rd row seating, power everything, leather everywhere and 1 sunroof and 2 skylights for Riley. Lisa found it and I couldn’t ask for more.. Best part? The payments are $100 less per month than the 2009 Jeep Patriot..and all it had was satellite radio. So yes friends, even in the face of “can’t we catch a break-ness” there can be a silver lining. I just thank God and Lisa that we had gap insurance.
Here’s my baby..

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Riley’s Baptism

Today Riley was Baptised at St. Gregory’s church in San Antonio. Lisa and GranMarne had picked out Riley’s dress months ago and we finally got her Baptised. It was a joyous event, yet sad as well as Kelsey was not with her sister for this. But I like to think that Kelsey is always looking over Riley and is with us, even if we can’t see and hold her.
Here are some pics from the Baptism. I can’t believe how angelic she looked.

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Included in the below pic is Riley’s Godparents, Tim Hess and Chris Ross.
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Stephanie and Daniel Castro with Lisa and Riley
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Riley gets her first shot at eating cake on her own.

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Video Montage

Here is a montage that Lisa made today, looking back at our family growing over the last 10 months. It’s 5 minutes long, but it’s cute. There are some pics in here you may not have seen yet. I broke down in tears when it went from Kelsey and Riley, to just Riley. We think about and miss Kelsey every day and wish that she was still with us to grow and learn and play with Riley. I hope you enjoy seeing our daughter’s progress. She never ceases to amaze me.

Happy Easter!!

Here are a few pics of Ms. Riley in her Easter Dress, along with her basket o’ goodies that she got when she mugged the Easter Bunny! I’m just kidding, she couldn’t be any sweeter if she was made of Splenda.

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The countdown to Lisa’s first Mother’s Day is on!!

Newest Pics and Videos!

We got some great pics to share with ya’ll. And Riley said mumum for Lisa today. Several times! It was so exciting. A quick shout out to the Mikes! Congratulations on Lil Rose! She is adorable and we are so excited for ya’ll!! A lil bird suggested that the inspiration of your journey should get a Ganesh print..hinh hint..just kidding, enjoy the second trip to India, and if you need any guidance at all, contact us here..

Anyone looking?

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Planning her escape..

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High Steppin’

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Sittin Pretty!

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Mommy apparently IS funny after all..lol

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Ready to head out..

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Do I know you??

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I DO know you!!

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Bow-Liscous!!

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And The Chase Begins…

She’s Mobile Now!!

And finally (for today, that is)

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Here’s more!!

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Ok, I’m embarrased..

It took a lot longer than expected because some ass is holding our computers hostage (don’t ask, more on that later), but I have pics..Tons O’ Pics… My apologies to those with slower connections but I have neglected the blog long enough. I will make a more concerted effort to keep this thing current and updated..So with out further ado… The pictures, in n o particular order, because, well, damn there were so many to sort through. And there may be duplicates, my apologies….

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More to come in a few minutes…

Stay Tuned

I am so very sorry for what amounts to no updates in a long time. Well, Tomorrow there will be pics! Lot’s of them. So stay tuned!

And btw, if you find yourself in a bookstore in the near future, take a look at Denis Leary’s new book “Why We Suck”. He has an entire chapter devoted to Lisa and I and our journey to India. He was not flattering us, I assure you but we aren’t angry. We have contacted his publisher so that maybe we can speak with him and help him understand how this worked and the details of which he was most ignorant of. I’m not saying buy it, but check out the chapter entitled “Ladies and Gentlemen, We Present – In Utero”

A word from the other half….

As always, we have been really lax in keeping everyone informed about what is going on in our lives and the life of Riley. While there are things still in the mix I cannot talk about at this time, I want everyone to know that Riley is doing great, she is 15 pounds and growing like a weed. For her adjusted age, she is in the 90th percentile for height, 80th percentile for weight, and 50th percentile for head size. Her doctors are delighted with her progress and she is very active.

Our little princess loves to jump in her bouncy and adores music. While most everyone will find this post a bit droll, those of us who have struggled and those that continue to struggle with fertility issues knows that this is the droll we have been dying to shout from the mountain tops.

To M&M: Do not panic, India has been rapidly moving toward more laws governing surrogacy and the US Embassy is respecting those decrees. I think a bit had to do with our situation over there and all that we went through with Lilavati. We did get DNA tests for the babies and so that is not new, it is new that centers testing the DNA have to be ones chosen by the Embassy. Also, I am so sorry to hear Suzanne is no longer with the Embassy as she was an amazing asset to our Consulate. If her supervisor Glenn is there, he may be able to help you.

As for the car seats, you may have to pay a premium on them for your trip over but Brian was bringing 2 car seats with no babies on his flight to Mumbai and you two will be able to split the load….but be prepared to pay some “Tip” money to customs if the ask for it as you DO NOT want to buy car seats in Mumbai.

I would recommend that you not upgrade to business class, as I do not believe they have the bulkhead cribs there. Check with your airline as to where there are cribs available.

Here is my biggest piece of advice though. If you have premies, bring Similac Neosure with you. Premie formula is hard to come by and even the hospital sent us out for cannisters on 3 seperate occations. Also get your babies some green “Soothie” pacifiers. Babies love them and they are the most used one in US hospitals.

I am so happy to see so many successes. We are always here to answer questions. We miss you all!

Lisa

A few new pics..

I am sorry about not having any updates lately. Here are some new pics of Riley and I hope to have the Christmas pics up soon.

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Riley with Monty Moose
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Love this Hat!
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Riley loves to blow Raspberries at you..
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Thanksgiving 2008

Our thoughts and prayers go out to those in Mumbai right now. I hope all is well for our extended family and friends.

Here are some pics of Riley’s first Thanksgiving.

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Getting ready for Christmas..
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And a BIG Congratulations to Rachel Showalter on the birth of her twins, a boy and a girl!!!

Little Bunny Foo Foo

Riley was a lil bunny foo foo for halloween. And while we didn’t take her trick or treating, we did visit the punkin patch. She wasn’t too thrilled with being in the bunny suit and I can’t blame her. It was warm last night and that suit didn’t help, so she didn’t stay in it too long. But you have to admit, she’s the most precious bunny ever!!!

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It’s Farmer Riley!!

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Sorry I have been out of touch…

So many of you have been so wonderful to us. Brian has been excellent about getting back to everyones posts and email. I apologize that I have not been so interactive. Our situation is tough. We have not yet recovered from the ordeal of losing Kelsey. I watch my husband and there is so little I can do to comfort him. I play with my daughter when she is awake, and every night I check her to make sure she is breathing. Hell even if I think she has been napping too long I check her.  I am working as much as my body will allow me to without passing out from exhaustion.  Work has saved me from losing my mind. I could not bear sitting at home day in and day out thinking about the tragedy that befell us. 

My friends, you are all wonderful. I do read your posts of encouragement and love and support. They mean the world to me as I am sure they do Brian.  I am thrilled for your successes (Mike and Mike, Sarah, and Rachel) and dismayed by your setbacks (Kepi, Amani and Bob, Lisa and Bob, Gerry and Rhonda, and Michelle and Steve) Also, I am heartened by your determination to continue your journeys. I pray for you all.  You all have my appreciation and love.

Riley is growing and becoming more wonderful everyday. Whenever she smiles I know that every hurdle we have faced and are going to face is well worth it. She is amazing.

To all those that donated to my Heart walk, I thank you as well. I was able to raise 300.00 for the American Heart Association in one week and was the second highest contributor to my team in Radiology (I think). It was all for a good cause and my body has still not forgiven me for walking 3.2 miles without a break!

Remember I am still here even though my responses are slow in coming. I will be back up to chatter mode once I get some sanity back into my life.

 

Love,

 

Lisa

 

Here a few pics. Riley is going to be a pink bunny for halloween, so here is a small preview…

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Hook Em Horns!!
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Lisa Walks to Help fight Heart Disease

Lisa will be walking in this year’s Heart Walk in Austin to raise money for the American Heart Association to help fight Heart Disease.
If you feel generous, and by no means is anyone obligated, please feel free to visit the Heart Walk Austin link over on the right side there. We appreciate your support!

Love to all, Brian

First Birthday as a Daddy!

Yes folks, another year has past and what a year it has been. Riley was happy to help Daddy celebrate his 37th birthday at BJ’s Brewhouse in San Antonio. Our many thanks to Papa Larry and GranMarne for the wonderful dinner! It was excellent!

Here are a few pics…

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Portraits, anyone?

Lisa and GranMarne took Riley for her first professional portraits. Here are a few samples..more to follow.. Riley has gotten so funny. If there is music playing, she has her little feet just a going, trying to dance. And she taps her little hand to the beat. Too Adorable!

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Quick Update

Riley is doing well, she’s up to 9 Lbs and she’s starting to roll over from belly to back. Here are a few new pics. More updates soon!

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I LOVE this little look.. Mischief, anyone?
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The Switzer Stare
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We thank you all…

The outpouring of support and sympathy has really help lift our spirits. Lisa and I so greatly appreciate all the kind words from each and everyone of you. The past two weeks have been the hardest, most horrific two weeks of our lives and with the help of our family and friends (all of you included), we are getting through this.

Many of you sent flowers and cards and made other contributions. I cannot thank you enough. The flowers were beautiful and Kelsey’s service was filled with love and tears alike. Knowing how much everyone loved Kelsey really helped Lisa and I get through it.

Some of our surrogacy friends have said that if it wasn’t for Lisa and I, they wouldn’t have known about/gone to India to start their families. To that I want to say that we are honored to have played some small part in helping bring joy and hope to the lives of anyone who has known the sorrow of not being able to have children. We know firsthand the sadness of failure of infertility treatments and are very happy that we found India and could help spread the hope for others.

I consider each and every one of you my daughter’s extended family.

And we love you all,

Brian and Lisa

Broken Hearted

It with a broken heart and tear soaked keyboard that I type this.

Today, Sunday Aug. 24th 2008, Kelsey Rahne Switzer left our arms to watch over us as an angel. She is sorely missed, incredibly loved, and will forever be in our hearts and minds.

Kelsey, my beautiful angel, I hope when you left us that you knew how much we love you, how special you are to us, and how we will tell Riley how much you meant to your mother and I. Words cannot express the sorrow and heartbreak we are feeling right now, and will forever more.

I love you,
Daddy

Kelsey Rahne Switzer
May 30, 2008 – August 24 2008

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Our Daughters, Ready for Ascot!!

(but with these hats, they go alone! LOL)

But first…GranMarne and Pappa Larry

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Proud Parents, Brian and Lisa

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GranMarne and Kelsey

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Kelsey, modeling this years newest floral chapeau..

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Riley thinks the hat looks silly too..
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Somebody get it off me!!

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Everybody Hula!!

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Riley in her Mary Jane socks..

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Kelsey loves her some Pappa Larry..

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The hats modeled by Riley and Kelsey can be found at:
“A Tisket A Tasket” in San Antonio (210)764*7722
They have some of the cutest, most adorable things for babies.
Tell ‘em the Switzer Twins sent you!!

Latest Pictures..

Here are a few more pics of Kelsey and Riley.. Enjoy..

Guess who is who… leave your guesses in the comments section

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ZZZZZZZZ *Snore* ZZZZZZZZ

(or “So this is what sleep feels like!!)

The girls are now pretty much sleeping through the night. Lisa has discovered the secret, and I’ve been told that we are cheating. In the last bottle of the night, around midnight, we put some baby rice cereal in with their formula, along with some Karo syrup. Apparently, the rice cereal takes a bit longer to digest, giving the girls that “full tummy” feeling for a bit longer than just formula would.

If it’s cheating, then we are cheaters. If it’s a smart way to get some sleep at night and keep the girls content, then we are Mensa candidates. All I know is that life has become a bit easier as the girls are happier at night.

Now, during the day, not so much. Lisa has been dealing with babies that have no patience when it comes to being held or not being held. I have found that swaddling them tightly still works wonders, and Kelsey loves her swing. Riley loves the horseshoe shaped pillow that we set on the couch. They stare at the window for hours. We have dark curtains, so the contrast really holds their attention.

Kelsey is the swinger (clean minds, folks, clean minds) and Riley is our bouncer. She loves to be bounced on a knee. Yesterday at lunch I was playing kissing face with Kelsey and she gave me the biggest grin. She smiled with her whole face, her eyes were smiling too. Just brightened my day. Riley tried to one up her about 5am this morning as she bounced on my knee while being burped. What a way to wake up.

I have some pictures to post up this evening, so look out for those.

And please help me settle a debate. Leave me a comment with your opinion.
Are we cheating by adding the rice cereal, or are we being smart and making sure everyone is rested, thereby lowering frustration levels?

Congratulations to the Mikes!!

Mike A and Mike B are a gay couple that have been struggling for years to start a family through adoption. When all was said and done, they went the surrogacy route in India and lo and behold, first try, they get 2 women knocked up!!

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I’m straight and haven’t pulled that one off!! So now we wait to see how many lil ones they can expect. We love the Mikes and you can catch up on their happy story here…

spawnofmikeandmike.blogspot.com

Here you can read how the Mike’s determined that to a man a cup is not only male protection, but male reception as well..lol

Please go wish them congratulations. They have had as tough a road as anyone on their journey to start a family. Way to go Mike and Mike!

Skype..

I had a conversation about communication from India with Michele Butler last night and I shared some info that may be of interest to others travelling abroad for any length of time.

Skype is a program for your computer that allows you to make phone calls using a headset. Skype can be used to call other PC’s that have Skype installed, or if you purchase a subscription, you can call any cell or landline phone in the US and many other countries.

I can’t access the exact details from work, but basically it goes like this.
The cost for a subscription to make unlimited outgoing calls from Skype to any cell or landline phone runs around the $10 – $13 (per month) mark. That gives you unlimited calls back to the US to any phone. However, should you want to receive calls, you can subscribe to SkypeIn for about $18 (for a 3 month subscription) more and get a phone number that anyone can call from the US (and other countries, I’m sure) and it will ring on your computer, as if your computer was your phone. I can attest that Lisa and I used SkypeOut to call back to the States. We were there a combined total of 1 month, and all our calls (the calls can include video if the call is PC to PC) were a total of the $13.

Look into Skype folks, it will save you money. Just ask my cell phone bill..
http://www.skype.com

Hello Stranger!

So let me just start by apologizing for not posting near as much as my husband. For the last couple of weeks I have been trying to adjust to the babies, a new job and all sorts of other daily life situations that have come up. Things are starting to have some semblance of order but we have a long way to go baby!

We have been very lucky with my mom helping me wade through the obstacles of twins and getting errands done and she and Larry have been a God send for baby sitting when the need arises. There is always so much to do and yet even when I make progress I get sent back to steps when I look at my house that has not seen a completely clean day since we got home from Mumbai.

We had to go to the lab today for bloodwork on the girls, the unfortunate part of being preemies is that the red blood cell count has to be monitored or they can become anemic. So off we went and the girls just looked so precious in thier new outfits from Uncle Mike and Aunt Liz that I had to snap off some pictures with my cell. I did them in B&W and Sepia, just cause I could and although I love them that way, Brian thinks its too “Artsy”.  I will let yall decide.

Many people have asked about the Today Show follow up, and right now it is on hold because of the Olympics and the Elections. The latest word is that we may be invited back in the late fall. So everyone keep your fingers crossed and we will keep you posted.

For those of you interested in Planet Hospital and Surrogacy I will be happy to answer any of your questions. Just post up and we will get back to you with all the info. I must say for the record that I will never recommend Lilavati’s Program nor the other Medical Tourism company  that promotes that nightmare. I know that several of our surrogacy friends are using them and I respect that but Lilavati tried to take my girls from me and threatened to make them wards of the hospital and the adoption system. They did this under the guise that they believed we might be trying to take Indian children illegally out of the country. The truth is that the 2 head administrators of the hospital were trying to use us as pawns in a very political situation. Because Indian Surrogacy is in the world wide spotlight, some people are trying to grab the power that goes with it. Had it not been for Planet Hospital, Dr. Allahbadia and especially the US Consulate, we would still be there fighting for our girls in my opinion.

On a lighter note, here are my ARTSY pictures of the girls. I hope you enjoy!

Love,

Lisa

Sleeping Riley
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Kelsey smiling in her sleep
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Funny Face
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Big Yawn!
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Kelsey chewing on her bottom lip just like Mommy used to do
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Little Fingers
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Little Toes
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Getting bigger!

Here a few few more random pics of the girls. They are up to 7 lbs now! Growin’ like weeds, and focusing on one spot more. In fact they now focus on us more often, and smile a lot more. There’s just something about your own baby’s smile that just melts your heart and makes you wanna eat em up!

Kelsey snuggled in
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Riley gettin some beauty sleep
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Buster shows some love
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He really like hanging out with the babies
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Riley’s getting longer
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Kelsey focused on Mommy
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Buster wants in on all this love
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They actually sleep better together sometimes..
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To our new friends of Surrogacy..

We have made some friends and shared some experiences with several couples doing surrogacy in India, and I just want to offer them some words of encouragement. This can and does work. Don’t give up your dreams of starting a family. I know that a negative is heart-breaking, a real kick in the gut. Lisa and I had many negatives while trying to get her pregnant. We got very lucky in that our first try in India was successful x2 and we wish the same for all those couples that are taking the same route we did to having a happy family. I await the day you all get your positives and I get to read of the joy you feel when it happens. And it will happen for you, I have faith. You all are in our prayers and thoughts. My best to you all.

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Babies on Tour!

But first, I was kidding in my last post. I wouldn’t dare put the girls on the bike this early..I was just funnin’…

Lisa took the girls to see the nurse’s in the NICU at Downtown Baptist Hospital, where Lisa used to work.. The nurses in the NICU have been so important to teaching Lisa how to feed, diaper, and just generally care for preemies. Good thing too, because it just dawned on us all the other day, that the girls, by all rights, should not even have been born yet. They weren’t due until early August. Yet here they are, just chillin’ in life. They are growing and gaining weight. And they can be so funny. They can already do something I have never been able to do..the one eyebrow raise..it kills me when they do it..
Anyhoo…I thank all the nurses at the NICU, we really appreciate all you girls do and have done for us..

Here are some new pics of our little peanuts..

Double Trouble
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It’s Jacuzzi time! Where’s the Margarita’s??
Kelsey
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Riley..My Bubble Girl
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Kelsey dreaming..so sweet
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Amy and Riley
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Chris and Kelsey
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Riley gets a bow for the first time..
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Janie and Kelsey
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NICU Amy and Riley
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Cody
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Buster (He’s the girls Big Brother)
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More to come, thanks for stopping by…
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She Ain’t Havin’ It…

(Or I’ll kill you if you do!!)

I think I could remove the backrest, mount a cross plate and bolt the twins’ car seats on here. Of course I would never do it, but Lisa, just to be safe, threatened not only my life, but my manhood if I tried. I think Kelsey would love it. But alas, their first ride will have to wait.. lol

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Baby Shower in Mississippi

While we were in MS for the 4th of July weekend, my family threw the twins a baby shower. We thank you all so very much for the gifts. Here are a few pictures of the family and some more of the girls.

They have taken over our bed, as they sleep longer in there than they do in their cribs. But we don’t mind as we love snuggling up to them.

Crystal
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Big
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Pat
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Carol Ann
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Lisa with gifts
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The cutest and most delicious cake
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Riley the Snoozer
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Mommy and Riley
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Kelsey’s Daddy Face
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Is there room for Daddy to snuggle in?
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Spoke too soon..

Misplaced my USB cable, will buy another one tonight and get the update on here for ya’ll..Sorry for the delay..

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